Comments on: Smoke and Mirrors; UFC and Pretty Boy Floyd’s Slow Waltz http://www.total-mma.com/2009/09/20/smoke-and-mirrors-ufc-and-pretty-boy-floyds-slow-waltz/ Completing the perspective on Mixed Martial Arts Sun, 12 Feb 2012 18:03:14 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Dave Walsh http://www.total-mma.com/2009/09/20/smoke-and-mirrors-ufc-and-pretty-boy-floyds-slow-waltz/#comment-36649 Dave Walsh Mon, 21 Sep 2009 20:51:06 +0000 http://www.total-mma.com/?p=708#comment-36649 Nepal -- with the Floyd fight, though, it is 12 rounds of a master clowning a great competitor. I watched it more out of awe than anything else. Nepal — with the Floyd fight, though, it is 12 rounds of a master clowning a great competitor. I watched it more out of awe than anything else.

]]> By: Tommy Hackett http://www.total-mma.com/2009/09/20/smoke-and-mirrors-ufc-and-pretty-boy-floyds-slow-waltz/#comment-36640 Tommy Hackett Mon, 21 Sep 2009 18:52:24 +0000 http://www.total-mma.com/?p=708#comment-36640 Ugh, this persecution complex has got to end. UFC gets plenty of media push at this point... not that anyone should be really proud of the amount of attention Kimbo and Lesnar get. At some point as MMA fans we have to admit that we haven't seen a rise in popularity because it's a fascinating interplay of styles (etc), but rather a more brutal spectacle. Anyway, despite the naysayers I expect this Mayweather/Marquez PPV will come back with strong numbers, and Pacquiao/Cotto will do even better. But in the end this competition will drive both sports to come up with better shows which can only be a good thing. TH Ugh, this persecution complex has got to end. UFC gets plenty of media push at this point… not that anyone should be really proud of the amount of attention Kimbo and Lesnar get. At some point as MMA fans we have to admit that we haven’t seen a rise in popularity because it’s a fascinating interplay of styles (etc), but rather a more brutal spectacle.

Anyway, despite the naysayers I expect this Mayweather/Marquez PPV will come back with strong numbers, and Pacquiao/Cotto will do even better. But in the end this competition will drive both sports to come up with better shows which can only be a good thing.

TH

]]> By: Nepal http://www.total-mma.com/2009/09/20/smoke-and-mirrors-ufc-and-pretty-boy-floyds-slow-waltz/#comment-36615 Nepal Mon, 21 Sep 2009 06:01:07 +0000 http://www.total-mma.com/?p=708#comment-36615 I really can't watch boxing anymore, I did in the old days before MMA but can't do it now. Maybe I'll search for a couple of the fights you mentioned above and try to watch them. I'm certainly not going to watch a 12 round one-sided affair. I now I find I'd rather watch 2 really high level grapplers in an ADCC match than any boxing match. Kickboxing is much much more exciting than boxing itself. I watch all the top K1 cards. In fairness, Rich was out before the final 1 or 2 blows to the back of the head came down so those didn't influence the outcome. Cro cop's best days are long gone but Dos Santos showed some serious speed and ability. He looked good and I'll be tuned into his next fight for sure. Yeah, Kampmann was exposed. Being a Danish kickboxing champ probably isn't that high on the overall food chain of strikers. Daley despite the book on him having no ground game did look explosive and again, I'll be watching his next fight. Overall, pretty average UFC card, less than average actually for a PPV but I wouldn't compare it to the worst of all time, it wasn't bad. Actually it was better than UFC 101. Other than 2 fights, that card was terrible. I'm sure Floyd will win the PPV contest here but I sense that's only because of the media push boxing gets and MMA doesn't with the exception of UFC 100 and we saw how that drew. Boxing's not dead, it'll always be here, just as amateur wrestling will always be here but do you really see any new stars coming up in boxing that have the ability to change the overall slide of boxing? If Floyd and De La Hoya don't fight, who'll drive PPV for boxing? I kind of feel that in 5 years time, boxing won't even be able to put on a PPV at all. Beyond the more diverse fighting you get in MMA, it's become such a cultural phenomenon as well. Imagine guys like Brock with little MMA experience driving hugh PPV numbers. We just saw Kimbo smashing viewership records on TUF, wait till he gets on a PPV, I won't be surprised to see new record setting PPV numbers. Although these guys don't have the MMA pedigree, they do have a huge followings and will only increase MMA's penetration to the masses. Eventually the real media will have no choice but to cover it. I really can’t watch boxing anymore, I did in the old days before MMA but can’t do it now. Maybe I’ll search for a couple of the fights you mentioned above and try to watch them. I’m certainly not going to watch a 12 round one-sided affair. I now I find I’d rather watch 2 really high level grapplers in an ADCC match than any boxing match. Kickboxing is much much more exciting than boxing itself. I watch all the top K1 cards.

In fairness, Rich was out before the final 1 or 2 blows to the back of the head came down so those didn’t influence the outcome.

Cro cop’s best days are long gone but Dos Santos showed some serious speed and ability. He looked good and I’ll be tuned into his next fight for sure.

Yeah, Kampmann was exposed. Being a Danish kickboxing champ probably isn’t that high on the overall food chain of strikers. Daley despite the book on him having no ground game did look explosive and again, I’ll be watching his next fight.

Overall, pretty average UFC card, less than average actually for a PPV but I wouldn’t compare it to the worst of all time, it wasn’t bad. Actually it was better than UFC 101. Other than 2 fights, that card was terrible.

I’m sure Floyd will win the PPV contest here but I sense that’s only because of the media push boxing gets and MMA doesn’t with the exception of UFC 100 and we saw how that drew.

Boxing’s not dead, it’ll always be here, just as amateur wrestling will always be here but do you really see any new stars coming up in boxing that have the ability to change the overall slide of boxing? If Floyd and De La Hoya don’t fight, who’ll drive PPV for boxing? I kind of feel that in 5 years time, boxing won’t even be able to put on a PPV at all.

Beyond the more diverse fighting you get in MMA, it’s become such a cultural phenomenon as well. Imagine guys like Brock with little MMA experience driving hugh PPV numbers. We just saw Kimbo smashing viewership records on TUF, wait till he gets on a PPV, I won’t be surprised to see new record setting PPV numbers. Although these guys don’t have the MMA pedigree, they do have a huge followings and will only increase MMA’s penetration to the masses. Eventually the real media will have no choice but to cover it.

]]> By: Dave Walsh http://www.total-mma.com/2009/09/20/smoke-and-mirrors-ufc-and-pretty-boy-floyds-slow-waltz/#comment-36601 Dave Walsh Sun, 20 Sep 2009 23:21:10 +0000 http://www.total-mma.com/?p=708#comment-36601 Right, the polarization is just worthless. I'm, obviously, a big fan of the UFC and they've gotten hundreds of dollars from me a year, but I also love boxing. Last night as a boxing fan was a bigger deal than last night as a UFC fan. UFC's offering was fine, if not a bit weak, and against such a great card like the JMM/PBF card they just looked kind of sad. Right, the polarization is just worthless. I’m, obviously, a big fan of the UFC and they’ve gotten hundreds of dollars from me a year, but I also love boxing. Last night as a boxing fan was a bigger deal than last night as a UFC fan.

UFC’s offering was fine, if not a bit weak, and against such a great card like the JMM/PBF card they just looked kind of sad.

]]> By: Tommy Hackett http://www.total-mma.com/2009/09/20/smoke-and-mirrors-ufc-and-pretty-boy-floyds-slow-waltz/#comment-36600 Tommy Hackett Sun, 20 Sep 2009 23:11:06 +0000 http://www.total-mma.com/?p=708#comment-36600 That's been said for years and yet boxing survives and always will. But even if you're right, Dave's point is still accurate. It's funny to see all this weird "partisan" arguing instead of appreciating a very good show. Anyone who could drown out the shrill had a lot to enjoy last night. Two completely different clinics on boxing technique were on display from Chris John and Floyd Mayweather Jr., and the rest of the show was exciting and at a high level as well. Bring on Pacquiao/Cotto and Pavlik/Williams. That’s been said for years and yet boxing survives and always will. But even if you’re right, Dave’s point is still accurate. It’s funny to see all this weird “partisan” arguing instead of appreciating a very good show.

Anyone who could drown out the shrill had a lot to enjoy last night. Two completely different clinics on boxing technique were on display from Chris John and Floyd Mayweather Jr., and the rest of the show was exciting and at a high level as well.

Bring on Pacquiao/Cotto and Pavlik/Williams.

]]> By: brent http://www.total-mma.com/2009/09/20/smoke-and-mirrors-ufc-and-pretty-boy-floyds-slow-waltz/#comment-36597 brent Sun, 20 Sep 2009 22:08:02 +0000 http://www.total-mma.com/?p=708#comment-36597 so your'e saying that dana should have rescheduled and didn't to make a point? puhleeze. dana stated that they never worried about floyd, they only checked the calender for when oscar was fighting. oscar was always the draw, not flyd, not haton,not manny. manny and floyd got big pushes in their careers from fighting oscar. and if the ufc put it's top stars, namely brock, i guarantee you it would be suicide for floyd. odh promotions would NEVER LET THAT HAPPEN. their too smart. the ufc should reschedule for floyd.lol. the ufc NEVER reschedules, unless there is a hurricane or an earthquake. i still like boxing alot, but once floyd and manny are gone (floyd will fight once per year tops) boxing will have a very hard time finding ppv money. not meant to be an insult, just a fact. so your’e saying that dana should have rescheduled and didn’t to make a point? puhleeze. dana stated that they never worried about floyd, they only checked the calender for when oscar was fighting. oscar was always the draw, not flyd, not haton,not manny. manny and floyd got big pushes in their careers from fighting oscar. and if the ufc put it’s top stars, namely brock, i guarantee you it would be suicide for floyd. odh promotions would NEVER LET THAT HAPPEN. their too smart. the ufc should reschedule for floyd.lol. the ufc NEVER reschedules, unless there is a hurricane or an earthquake. i still like boxing alot, but once floyd and manny are gone (floyd will fight once per year tops) boxing will have a very hard time finding ppv money. not meant to be an insult, just a fact.

]]> By: Dave Walsh http://www.total-mma.com/2009/09/20/smoke-and-mirrors-ufc-and-pretty-boy-floyds-slow-waltz/#comment-36592 Dave Walsh Sun, 20 Sep 2009 20:28:31 +0000 http://www.total-mma.com/?p=708#comment-36592 That really isn't the point if it was pre-scheduled or not. The point is they could probably get a few more viewers if they picked a week when there wasn't a Floyd Mayweather boxing match. They knew there was going to be more mainstream media attention to Floyd and that it would alienate some fans who would much rather see the better Mayweather card. Dana was trying to make a point that even with a weaker card he could do well against the boxing juggernaut, plus taking a risk and putting on some of his best fights against Mayweather would be suicide and they know they'd lose out on the much needed attention they'd get. That really isn’t the point if it was pre-scheduled or not. The point is they could probably get a few more viewers if they picked a week when there wasn’t a Floyd Mayweather boxing match. They knew there was going to be more mainstream media attention to Floyd and that it would alienate some fans who would much rather see the better Mayweather card.

Dana was trying to make a point that even with a weaker card he could do well against the boxing juggernaut, plus taking a risk and putting on some of his best fights against Mayweather would be suicide and they know they’d lose out on the much needed attention they’d get.

]]> By: brent http://www.total-mma.com/2009/09/20/smoke-and-mirrors-ufc-and-pretty-boy-floyds-slow-waltz/#comment-36587 brent Sun, 20 Sep 2009 18:58:21 +0000 http://www.total-mma.com/?p=708#comment-36587 the ufc didn't counter floyd. they already had this date scheduled, and floyd's fight got pushed back due to his injury. what's laughable is that some people think this. if the ufc wanted to "counter" maywether, they wouldn't have put on their wekest event of the year (on paper). the maywether fight will probably outsell 103, but not by much. if this ws brock or gsp in the main, flyd and marquez would have rescheduled...again. the ufc didn’t counter floyd. they already had this date scheduled, and floyd’s fight got pushed back due to his injury. what’s laughable is that some people think this. if the ufc wanted to “counter” maywether, they wouldn’t have put on their wekest event of the year (on paper). the maywether fight will probably outsell 103, but not by much. if this ws brock or gsp in the main, flyd and marquez would have rescheduled…again.

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