Comments on: DREAM.8: When the Past Becomes The Future http://www.total-mma.com/2009/04/05/dream8-when-the-past-becomes-the-future/ Completing the perspective on Mixed Martial Arts Sun, 12 Feb 2012 08:49:02 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: TOM http://www.total-mma.com/2009/04/05/dream8-when-the-past-becomes-the-future/#comment-25708 TOM Mon, 06 Apr 2009 15:55:30 +0000 http://www.total-mma.com/?p=625#comment-25708 All you did was copy mine, IMO. All you did was copy mine, IMO.

]]> By: AERose http://www.total-mma.com/2009/04/05/dream8-when-the-past-becomes-the-future/#comment-25684 AERose Mon, 06 Apr 2009 03:47:21 +0000 http://www.total-mma.com/?p=625#comment-25684 With respect to the mighty TOM, my own top 10: 1. Fedor Emelianenko 2-10. Everybody else. With respect to the mighty TOM, my own top 10:

1. Fedor Emelianenko
2-10. Everybody else.

]]> By: TOM http://www.total-mma.com/2009/04/05/dream8-when-the-past-becomes-the-future/#comment-25680 TOM Mon, 06 Apr 2009 02:44:08 +0000 http://www.total-mma.com/?p=625#comment-25680 My top 10 HWs: 1. FEDOR EMILIANENKO – RED DEVIL SPORT CLUB 2. FRANK MIR – STRIKING UNLIMITED 3. ANTONIO RODRIGO NOGUEIRA – IRON HOUSE 4. JOSH BARNETT – TEAM CSW 5. ALISTAIR OVEREEM – GOLDEN GLORY 6. BROCK LESNAR – MINNESOTA MARTIAL ARTS ACADEMY 7. RANDY COUTURE – TEAM XTREME COUTURE 8. TIM SYLVIA – MFS 9. ANDRE ARLOVSKI – RICKSON GRACIE JJ/TEAM PITBULL 10. JEFF MONSON – ATT OLYMPIA My top 10 HWs:

1. FEDOR EMILIANENKO – RED DEVIL SPORT CLUB
2. FRANK MIR – STRIKING UNLIMITED
3. ANTONIO RODRIGO NOGUEIRA – IRON HOUSE
4. JOSH BARNETT – TEAM CSW
5. ALISTAIR OVEREEM – GOLDEN GLORY
6. BROCK LESNAR – MINNESOTA MARTIAL ARTS ACADEMY
7. RANDY COUTURE – TEAM XTREME COUTURE
8. TIM SYLVIA – MFS
9. ANDRE ARLOVSKI – RICKSON GRACIE JJ/TEAM PITBULL
10. JEFF MONSON – ATT OLYMPIA

]]> By: BM2 http://www.total-mma.com/2009/04/05/dream8-when-the-past-becomes-the-future/#comment-25672 BM2 Sun, 05 Apr 2009 23:52:54 +0000 http://www.total-mma.com/?p=625#comment-25672 Well, technically it isn't back-to-back, because he actually fought (and won) in between Nelson and Kharitonov. So it is more of some kind of Nelson-Kharitonov meaty sandwich. Also: you should give Ikemoto vs Zaromskis more credit! It was the sleeper hit of the card. Relentless flying double punches, matched by a single moonsault double stomp? Mind blowing. And come on, Minowaman deserves far more credit than what you're currently giving him. When Minowaman fights, my eyes are glued to the screen. Connecting with the fans is a skill sorely underdeveloped in many MMA fighters. Well, technically it isn’t back-to-back, because he actually fought (and won) in between Nelson and Kharitonov. So it is more of some kind of Nelson-Kharitonov meaty sandwich.

Also: you should give Ikemoto vs Zaromskis more credit! It was the sleeper hit of the card. Relentless flying double punches, matched by a single moonsault double stomp? Mind blowing.

And come on, Minowaman deserves far more credit than what you’re currently giving him. When Minowaman fights, my eyes are glued to the screen. Connecting with the fans is a skill sorely underdeveloped in many MMA fighters.

]]> By: Jonathan Snowden http://www.total-mma.com/2009/04/05/dream8-when-the-past-becomes-the-future/#comment-25669 Jonathan Snowden Sun, 05 Apr 2009 22:17:17 +0000 http://www.total-mma.com/?p=625#comment-25669 I got on Alan about this already. I think his general premise is right though: back-to-back wins over Nelson and Kharitonov (in one pay period!) has to make him a serious top 10 contender. I got on Alan about this already. I think his general premise is right though: back-to-back wins over Nelson and Kharitonov (in one pay period!) has to make him a serious top 10 contender.

]]> By: Michaelthebox http://www.total-mma.com/2009/04/05/dream8-when-the-past-becomes-the-future/#comment-25666 Michaelthebox Sun, 05 Apr 2009 20:28:25 +0000 http://www.total-mma.com/?p=625#comment-25666 "what does that mean for Monson beating a guy who generally lay anywhere from #6-#10 on most lists?" I think you should take a closer look at "most lists." Sports Illustrated is the only notable list to have Kharitonov in the top 10. “what does that mean for Monson beating a guy who generally lay anywhere from #6-#10 on most lists?”

I think you should take a closer look at “most lists.” Sports Illustrated is the only notable list to have Kharitonov in the top 10.

]]> By: Newman http://www.total-mma.com/2009/04/05/dream8-when-the-past-becomes-the-future/#comment-25657 Newman Sun, 05 Apr 2009 17:23:38 +0000 http://www.total-mma.com/?p=625#comment-25657 "-If Frank Mir beating the #2 heavyweight in the world means that he should become #2, what does that mean for Monson beating a guy who generally lay anywhere from #6-#10 on most lists?" If you had Kharitonov in your top ten right now I would argue you were on strong drugs. Probably LSD. Guy hasn't looked good since 2005. Obviously people overrated him because he fought in PRIDE, but still. I'd have Monson somewhere in the top twenty. "Inargurably one of its centerpieces was Hayato “Mach” Sakurai, a former Shooto champion and even UFC welterweight title challenger, a popular and exciting fighter with a storied background in Shooto. His value was such to PRIDE that the lightweight division there was ostensibly built around him; the weight class of 160 was not used by Shooto or any American organization, and like EXC’s lightweight division. The number came to exist because the fighter intended to become its champion (Sakurai could realistically be no lighter, a move mimicked by the Shaws to promote Nick Diaz (a move that, in retrospect, ended exactly the same way)." Not really. The PRIDE WW division was always built around Gomi from right after he killed Ralph Gracie. Sakurai during that stage was fighting at 185lbs against Crosley Gracie and Vieira from BTT and stuff. He didn't drop to 160lbs until Bushido *9*, and even there I believe he was an underdog against Pulver and IIRC him running through Pulver and Hansen was one of the shocks of that show. The weight limit was put in for *Gomi*, not Sakurai, as Gomi had trouble even making 160lbs after the Jean Silva fight. “-If Frank Mir beating the #2 heavyweight in the world means that he should become #2, what does that mean for Monson beating a guy who generally lay anywhere from #6-#10 on most lists?”

If you had Kharitonov in your top ten right now I would argue you were on strong drugs. Probably LSD. Guy hasn’t looked good since 2005. Obviously people overrated him because he fought in PRIDE, but still. I’d have Monson somewhere in the top twenty.

“Inargurably one of its centerpieces was Hayato “Mach” Sakurai, a former Shooto champion and even UFC welterweight title challenger, a popular and exciting fighter with a storied background in Shooto. His value was such to PRIDE that the lightweight division there was ostensibly built around him; the weight class of 160 was not used by Shooto or any American organization, and like EXC’s lightweight division. The number came to exist because the fighter intended to become its champion (Sakurai could realistically be no lighter, a move mimicked by the Shaws to promote Nick Diaz (a move that, in retrospect, ended exactly the same way).”

Not really. The PRIDE WW division was always built around Gomi from right after he killed Ralph Gracie. Sakurai during that stage was fighting at 185lbs against Crosley Gracie and Vieira from BTT and stuff. He didn’t drop to 160lbs until Bushido *9*, and even there I believe he was an underdog against Pulver and IIRC him running through Pulver and Hansen was one of the shocks of that show. The weight limit was put in for *Gomi*, not Sakurai, as Gomi had trouble even making 160lbs after the Jean Silva fight.

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