Comments on: Zuffa is Just Acting like an Employer; Jon Fitch is Just Acting Stupid http://www.total-mma.com/2008/11/20/zuffa-is-just-acting-like-an-employer-jon-fitch-is-just-acting-stupid/ Go inside the sport of MMA with the Total MMA staff. Interviews, analysis, and the rich history of MMA. Thu, 11 Mar 2010 23:46:18 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Jonathan http://www.total-mma.com/2008/11/20/zuffa-is-just-acting-like-an-employer-jon-fitch-is-just-acting-stupid/#comment-18381 Jonathan Sun, 23 Nov 2008 18:34:27 +0000 http://www.total-mma.com/?p=530#comment-18381 Of course the comparison between Zuffa and other employers is not an exact one. Most Americans don't have a demand for their likeness, whether temporarily or in perpetuity. But most employers do make employees sign standard contracts with no wiggle room. Your insurance package, salary structure, and work schedule is likely fixed (or perhaps you are provided an illusion of choice between several similar options?. Again, if Fitch is being treated unfairly, he had the perfect opportunity to address his situation. He was offered his release. If his contract with Zuffa was really so onerous, why would he not be excited to test the market? Until someone can answer this question, his case for being treated "unfairly" seems questionable. Of course the comparison between Zuffa and other employers is not an exact one. Most Americans don’t have a demand for their likeness, whether temporarily or in perpetuity. But most employers do make employees sign standard contracts with no wiggle room. Your insurance package, salary structure, and work schedule is likely fixed (or perhaps you are provided an illusion of choice between several similar options?.

Again, if Fitch is being treated unfairly, he had the perfect opportunity to address his situation. He was offered his release. If his contract with Zuffa was really so onerous, why would he not be excited to test the market? Until someone can answer this question, his case for being treated “unfairly” seems questionable.

]]> By: BMK http://www.total-mma.com/2008/11/20/zuffa-is-just-acting-like-an-employer-jon-fitch-is-just-acting-stupid/#comment-18377 BMK Sun, 23 Nov 2008 16:10:44 +0000 http://www.total-mma.com/?p=530#comment-18377 Wow, if you think that bullying "employees" into signing away their likeness in perpetuity, is merely equivalent to "almost every other employer in America" you must have a pretty checkered work history. You have my condolences. The Curmudgeon is basing his opinion on a rather flimsy analogy to begin with, and your follow-up is nothing more than the same oversimplified, blanket statement mentality. By the bye, it's probably not a great idea to question the mental capacity of others whilst clinging to false dichotomies. Wow, if you think that bullying “employees” into signing away their likeness in perpetuity, is merely equivalent to “almost every other employer in America” you must have a pretty checkered work history. You have my condolences.

The Curmudgeon is basing his opinion on a rather flimsy analogy to begin with, and your follow-up is nothing more than the same oversimplified, blanket statement mentality. By the bye, it’s probably not a great idea to question the mental capacity of others whilst clinging to false dichotomies.

]]> By: Jonathan http://www.total-mma.com/2008/11/20/zuffa-is-just-acting-like-an-employer-jon-fitch-is-just-acting-stupid/#comment-18295 Jonathan Sat, 22 Nov 2008 18:02:10 +0000 http://www.total-mma.com/?p=530#comment-18295 Hilarious that people complaining about capitalism in action compare the UFC to "Russia." Talk about ill informed! I don't think the Curmudgeon had an opinion about the morality of the UFC's business practices. The point, for the pea-brained who need help discerning it, is that the UFC is just acting like almost every other employer in America. Why so up in arms about what a fighter is paid? If Fitch or others are worth more than Zuffa is paying them, the market would prove that. He would have been happy to be released. The fact is, Zuffa pays him more than he is worth to their competitors. Maybe Dana and Co. are actually TOO generous. It bears considering. Hilarious that people complaining about capitalism in action compare the UFC to “Russia.” Talk about ill informed!

I don’t think the Curmudgeon had an opinion about the morality of the UFC’s business practices. The point, for the pea-brained who need help discerning it, is that the UFC is just acting like almost every other employer in America. Why so up in arms about what a fighter is paid? If Fitch or others are worth more than Zuffa is paying them, the market would prove that. He would have been happy to be released.

The fact is, Zuffa pays him more than he is worth to their competitors. Maybe Dana and Co. are actually TOO generous. It bears considering.

]]> By: SnowCrash7 http://www.total-mma.com/2008/11/20/zuffa-is-just-acting-like-an-employer-jon-fitch-is-just-acting-stupid/#comment-18277 SnowCrash7 Sat, 22 Nov 2008 13:48:46 +0000 http://www.total-mma.com/?p=530#comment-18277 I find it amazing and indicative of the extremely low caliber of MMA blogs that so many of them are little more than Dana White meat puppets. Anyone with an ounce of common sense realizes how White has treated both fighters and fans....doing his best to keep fighters pay low, protecting his favorites while trying to kill the careers of anyone he doesn't like. A recent letter to the editor in Playboy responding to the interviewee with Komissar White said that White is the type of guy who wakes up on third base and think he's hit a triple. White believes that drunken idiots pissing all over each other is the image the American MMA fan needs to see of an MMA fighter. Why is it that apparently only Eddie Goldman realizes how bad this jerkoff is for the sport? BMK is right on in comparing the UFC, which is now no different than the WWE to Rome. Personally I see White's hubris to be the same thing we saw from the old Soviet Union. With blogs like this and shows like TUF its little wonder the average American MMA fan is so ill informed. I find it amazing and indicative of the extremely low caliber of MMA blogs that so many of them are little more than Dana White meat puppets. Anyone with an ounce of common sense realizes how White has treated both fighters and fans….doing his best to keep fighters pay low, protecting his favorites while trying to kill the careers of anyone he doesn’t like.

A recent letter to the editor in Playboy responding to the interviewee with Komissar White said that White is the type of guy who wakes up on third base and think he’s hit a triple. White believes that drunken idiots pissing all over each other is the image the American MMA fan needs to see of an MMA fighter.

Why is it that apparently only Eddie Goldman realizes how bad this jerkoff is for the sport?

BMK is right on in comparing the UFC, which is now no different than the WWE to Rome. Personally I see White’s hubris to be the same thing we saw from the old Soviet Union.

With blogs like this and shows like TUF its little wonder the average American MMA fan is so ill informed.

]]> By: BMK http://www.total-mma.com/2008/11/20/zuffa-is-just-acting-like-an-employer-jon-fitch-is-just-acting-stupid/#comment-18239 BMK Sat, 22 Nov 2008 06:12:47 +0000 http://www.total-mma.com/?p=530#comment-18239 This type of bureaucratic strong-arming is just pathetic and sullies the sport - at least for those of us who don't just blindly "toe the line". UFC can get away with it for now, but ultimately this kind of crap is going to be their downfall if it continues. America? This, gentlemen, is Rome. This type of bureaucratic strong-arming is just pathetic and sullies the sport - at least for those of us who don’t just blindly “toe the line”. UFC can get away with it for now, but ultimately this kind of crap is going to be their downfall if it continues. America? This, gentlemen, is Rome.

]]> By: Dan http://www.total-mma.com/2008/11/20/zuffa-is-just-acting-like-an-employer-jon-fitch-is-just-acting-stupid/#comment-18192 Dan Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:10:34 +0000 http://www.total-mma.com/?p=530#comment-18192 <i>What makes this even more non-sensical: Zuffa isn’t even asking for exclusive rights. Fighters are still able to pursue endorsement deals on their own. They just want to be able to market UFC fighters in ways that create long term value for the company and the fighters. <i> It is my understanding that the video game licensing agreement that Fitch was refusing to sign is in fact exclusive. It's the merchandising agreement that went out a few months ago that you are describing. What makes this even more non-sensical: Zuffa isn’t even asking for exclusive rights. Fighters are still able to pursue endorsement deals on their own. They just want to be able to market UFC fighters in ways that create long term value for the company and the fighters.

It is my understanding that the video game licensing agreement that Fitch was refusing to sign is in fact exclusive. It’s the merchandising agreement that went out a few months ago that you are describing.

]]> By: Alan Conceicao http://www.total-mma.com/2008/11/20/zuffa-is-just-acting-like-an-employer-jon-fitch-is-just-acting-stupid/#comment-18190 Alan Conceicao Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:04:42 +0000 http://www.total-mma.com/?p=530#comment-18190 Most every show is filled with mismatches. UFC 91 was, its just that most of the internet folks buy into stupid crap like Nate Quarry actually being able to win. At least in the case of the Affliction show, you had real elite fighters versus prospects in such fights. Most every show is filled with mismatches. UFC 91 was, its just that most of the internet folks buy into stupid crap like Nate Quarry actually being able to win. At least in the case of the Affliction show, you had real elite fighters versus prospects in such fights.

]]> By: Dave Walsh http://www.total-mma.com/2008/11/20/zuffa-is-just-acting-like-an-employer-jon-fitch-is-just-acting-stupid/#comment-18160 Dave Walsh Fri, 21 Nov 2008 06:51:54 +0000 http://www.total-mma.com/?p=530#comment-18160 <cite>LOL@ calling that Affliction show incredible. That shit was full of mis-matches.</cite> So you are denying that it was a fun show? I don't care if it was mismatches, it had a great atmosphere and was fun to watch. "Balanced" cards can be incredibly boring. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with either, but who fucking cares? LOL@ calling that Affliction show incredible. That shit was full of mis-matches.

So you are denying that it was a fun show? I don’t care if it was mismatches, it had a great atmosphere and was fun to watch. “Balanced” cards can be incredibly boring. I’m not saying there is anything wrong with either, but who fucking cares?

]]> By: JDS http://www.total-mma.com/2008/11/20/zuffa-is-just-acting-like-an-employer-jon-fitch-is-just-acting-stupid/#comment-18155 JDS Fri, 21 Nov 2008 04:17:09 +0000 http://www.total-mma.com/?p=530#comment-18155 <> what, that's exactly what they're saying <>

what, that’s exactly what they’re saying

]]> By: Kelvin http://www.total-mma.com/2008/11/20/zuffa-is-just-acting-like-an-employer-jon-fitch-is-just-acting-stupid/#comment-18153 Kelvin Fri, 21 Nov 2008 03:42:50 +0000 http://www.total-mma.com/?p=530#comment-18153 LOL@ calling that Affliction show incredible. That shit was full of mis-matches. LOL@ calling that Affliction show incredible. That shit was full of mis-matches.

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