Comments on: 2008 Olympic Judo Day One (Women’s 48 kg, Men’s 60 kg) http://www.total-mma.com/2008/08/09/2008-olympic-judo-day-one-womens-48-kg-mens-60-kg/ Completing the perspective on Mixed Martial Arts Sun, 12 Feb 2012 17:42:30 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Kendall Shields http://www.total-mma.com/2008/08/09/2008-olympic-judo-day-one-womens-48-kg-mens-60-kg/#comment-12380 Kendall Shields Sun, 10 Aug 2008 01:10:38 +0000 http://www.total-mma.com/?p=434#comment-12380 And, so, yeah, on those Taraje transitions to the ground, a reasonable case could be made that they were legitimate entries into potential sacrifice throws, even if that wasn't his actual intention. It would be a real dick move on a referee's part to penalize any of those. Here are the IJF rules in full as they relate to the entry into ground technique, in case you're interested. I've highlighted the section that, at the discretion of the referee, can legitimize pretty much any entry into ground work you can think of. 16. Entry into newaza The contestants shall be able to change from the standing position to Newaza in the following cases but if the technique used is not continuous, the Referee shall order both contestants to resume the standing position: a) When a contestant, after obtaining some result by a throwing technique changes without interruption into Newaza and takes the offensive. b) When one of the contestants falls to the ground, following the unsuccessful application of a throwing technique the other may take advantage of his opponent's unbalanced position to take him to the ground. c) When one contestant obtains some considerable effect by applying a Shime-waza or Kansetsu-waza in the standing position and then changes without interruption to Newaza. <b>d) When one contestant takes his opponent down into Newaza by the particularly skilful application of a movement which does not qualify as a throwing technique. </b> e) In any other case where one contestant falls down or is about to fall down, not covered by the preceding sub-sections of this article, the other contestant may take advantage of his opponent's position to go into Newaza. When one contestant pulls his opponent down into Newaza not in accordance with Article 16 and his opponent does not take advantage of this to continue into Newaza, the Referee shall announce Mate, stop the contest and penalise with Shido the contestant who has infringed Article 27 (8). (See Article 27 Appendix, the 5th paragraph). When one contestant pulls his opponent down into Newaza not in accordance with Article 16 and his opponent takes advantage of this to continue into Newaza, the contest shall be allowed to continue but the Referee shall penalise with Shido the contestant who has infringed Article 27 (8). (See Article 27 Appendix, the 5th paragraph). And, so, yeah, on those Taraje transitions to the ground, a reasonable case could be made that they were legitimate entries into potential sacrifice throws, even if that wasn’t his actual intention. It would be a real dick move on a referee’s part to penalize any of those.

Here are the IJF rules in full as they relate to the entry into ground technique, in case you’re interested. I’ve highlighted the section that, at the discretion of the referee, can legitimize pretty much any entry into ground work you can think of.

16. Entry into newaza

The contestants shall be able to change from the standing position to Newaza in the following cases but if the technique used is not continuous, the Referee shall order both contestants to resume the standing position:

a)
When a contestant, after obtaining some result by a throwing technique changes without interruption into Newaza and takes the offensive.

b)
When one of the contestants falls to the ground, following the unsuccessful application of a throwing technique the other may take advantage of his opponent’s unbalanced position to take him to the ground.

c)
When one contestant obtains some considerable effect by applying a Shime-waza or Kansetsu-waza in the standing position and then changes without interruption to Newaza.

d)
When one contestant takes his opponent down into Newaza by the particularly skilful application of a movement which does not qualify as a throwing technique.

e)
In any other case where one contestant falls down or is about to fall down, not covered by the preceding sub-sections of this article, the other contestant may take advantage of his opponent’s position to go into Newaza.

When one contestant pulls his opponent down into Newaza not in accordance with Article 16 and his opponent does not take advantage of this to continue into Newaza, the Referee shall announce Mate, stop the contest and penalise with Shido the contestant who has infringed Article 27 (8). (See Article 27 Appendix, the 5th paragraph).

When one contestant pulls his opponent down into Newaza not in accordance with Article 16 and his opponent takes advantage of this to continue into Newaza, the contest shall be allowed to continue but the Referee shall penalise with Shido the contestant who has infringed Article 27 (8). (See Article 27 Appendix, the 5th paragraph).

]]> By: Kendall Shields http://www.total-mma.com/2008/08/09/2008-olympic-judo-day-one-womens-48-kg-mens-60-kg/#comment-12377 Kendall Shields Sun, 10 Aug 2008 00:19:39 +0000 http://www.total-mma.com/?p=434#comment-12377 Also, I will totally rewatch Taraje/Hiroaki to see what the deal is there. Also, I will totally rewatch Taraje/Hiroaki to see what the deal is there.

]]> By: Kendall Shields http://www.total-mma.com/2008/08/09/2008-olympic-judo-day-one-womens-48-kg-mens-60-kg/#comment-12376 Kendall Shields Sun, 10 Aug 2008 00:18:42 +0000 http://www.total-mma.com/?p=434#comment-12376 Yes. But you do see players with particularly strong <i>ne waza</i> feint a sacrifice technique like <i>tomoe nage</i> (your standard monkey flip) just to get down the to the ground. It's essentially pulling guard. The line between a deliberate flop and a <i>tomoe nage</i> is blurry at best. I don't think I've ever seen or you'll ever see a jumping guard pull, though, for the reason Andrew suggests. Also this: "Why aren’t they oiled up or in speedos?" Is a question that deserves a better answer than I am equipped to provide. Yes. But you do see players with particularly strong ne waza feint a sacrifice technique like tomoe nage (your standard monkey flip) just to get down the to the ground. It’s essentially pulling guard. The line between a deliberate flop and a tomoe nage is blurry at best. I don’t think I’ve ever seen or you’ll ever see a jumping guard pull, though, for the reason Andrew suggests.

Also this: “Why aren’t they oiled up or in speedos?”

Is a question that deserves a better answer than I am equipped to provide.

]]> By: Andrew http://www.total-mma.com/2008/08/09/2008-olympic-judo-day-one-womens-48-kg-mens-60-kg/#comment-12374 Andrew Sat, 09 Aug 2008 22:27:41 +0000 http://www.total-mma.com/?p=434#comment-12374 It's not illegal but it is extraordinarily risky because if the referee thinks the guy being pulled guard upon has any influence on the downward motion of the guard puller, it will likely result in a score for pullee. So to speak. It’s not illegal but it is extraordinarily risky because if the referee thinks the guy being pulled guard upon has any influence on the downward motion of the guard puller, it will likely result in a score for pullee. So to speak.

]]> By: JRN http://www.total-mma.com/2008/08/09/2008-olympic-judo-day-one-womens-48-kg-mens-60-kg/#comment-12359 JRN Sat, 09 Aug 2008 19:34:11 +0000 http://www.total-mma.com/?p=434#comment-12359 Hey Kendall, did you see the Taraje/Hiroaki match? I'm new to Olympic Judo, and I noticed that a couple of times the American seemed to pull guard straight from standing. I thought that was illegal in Judo. What gives? Hey Kendall, did you see the Taraje/Hiroaki match? I’m new to Olympic Judo, and I noticed that a couple of times the American seemed to pull guard straight from standing. I thought that was illegal in Judo. What gives?

]]> By: Jonathan http://www.total-mma.com/2008/08/09/2008-olympic-judo-day-one-womens-48-kg-mens-60-kg/#comment-12358 Jonathan Sat, 09 Aug 2008 19:28:04 +0000 http://www.total-mma.com/?p=434#comment-12358 Why aren't they oiled up or in speedos? Why aren’t they oiled up or in speedos?

]]> By: Dave Walsh http://www.total-mma.com/2008/08/09/2008-olympic-judo-day-one-womens-48-kg-mens-60-kg/#comment-12355 Dave Walsh Sat, 09 Aug 2008 17:05:46 +0000 http://www.total-mma.com/?p=434#comment-12355 Aw man, I can't believe that I slept through all of this. This has me really pumped, though, Kendall. I really need to start digging up some full matches from this, the ones I have seen have been great. Aw man, I can’t believe that I slept through all of this. This has me really pumped, though, Kendall. I really need to start digging up some full matches from this, the ones I have seen have been great.

]]> By: Kendall Shields http://www.total-mma.com/2008/08/09/2008-olympic-judo-day-one-womens-48-kg-mens-60-kg/#comment-12354 Kendall Shields Sat, 09 Aug 2008 16:56:35 +0000 http://www.total-mma.com/?p=434#comment-12354 I should point that clips of these matches, and in some cases the matches in their entirety, are coming available at www.judovision.org. Enjoy. I should point that clips of these matches, and in some cases the matches in their entirety, are coming available at http://www.judovision.org. Enjoy.

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