Comments on: Lyoto Machida: The Forgotten http://www.total-mma.com/2008/07/29/lyoto-machida-the-forgotten/ Completing the perspective on Mixed Martial Arts Sun, 12 Feb 2012 07:04:27 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Dave Walsh http://www.total-mma.com/2008/07/29/lyoto-machida-the-forgotten/#comment-29280 Dave Walsh Sun, 24 May 2009 20:03:40 +0000 http://www.total-mma.com/?p=414#comment-29280 I don't know if you are complimenting me or dissing me. Anyway, funny that now Lyoto is champ and Margarito is a criminal. I don’t know if you are complimenting me or dissing me.

Anyway, funny that now Lyoto is champ and Margarito is a criminal.

]]> By: nyc ufc http://www.total-mma.com/2008/07/29/lyoto-machida-the-forgotten/#comment-29276 nyc ufc Sun, 24 May 2009 18:54:42 +0000 http://www.total-mma.com/?p=414#comment-29276 A Comment like Dave Walsh epitomizes the the blind stupidity of 'ignorant Americans' who don't see anything other the the "USA Way" of doing things. the notion that Lyoto Machida is 'boring to watch', just makes you wonder what if there are any brain cells in there, not that Chuck Liddell didn't have his 'moment'in creating a one-dimensional punching buzz. Which was fleeting as he quickly became a dinosaur in the name of evolution. the only problem for all of the potential contenders is, where the American UFC style is, having a basis in classic boxing and good ole fashioned mid-west wrestling, is facing a level of complete martial artists the likes of Lyoto Machida and Anderson Silva. Until the 'dummy American' style evolves to incorporate multidimensional skills, namely kicks, knees, and elbows, no one will have a chance in beating the worlds ultimate and finest fighters. A minor problem in the UFC business model, perhaps that had not been accounted for...since things were working well until Anderson S. arrived. A Comment like Dave Walsh epitomizes the the blind stupidity of ‘ignorant Americans’ who
don’t see anything other the the “USA Way” of doing things. the notion that Lyoto Machida
is ‘boring to watch’, just makes you wonder what if there are any brain cells in there, not that
Chuck Liddell didn’t have his ‘moment’in creating a one-dimensional punching buzz. Which was fleeting as he quickly became a dinosaur in
the name of evolution. the only problem for all of the potential contenders is, where the American UFC style is, having a basis in classic boxing and good ole fashioned mid-west wrestling, is facing a level of complete martial artists the likes of Lyoto Machida and Anderson Silva. Until the ‘dummy American’ style evolves to incorporate multidimensional skills, namely kicks, knees, and elbows, no one will have a chance in beating the worlds ultimate and finest fighters.
A minor problem in the UFC business model, perhaps that had not been accounted for…since things were working well until Anderson S. arrived.

]]> By: Helton Kuhn http://www.total-mma.com/2008/07/29/lyoto-machida-the-forgotten/#comment-15794 Helton Kuhn Tue, 21 Oct 2008 22:50:28 +0000 http://www.total-mma.com/?p=414#comment-15794 for those who doubt of machidas abillities . go to you tube AND watch him destroying Francklin , bonnar , sokojou , ortiz, Michael mc donald, vernon white, grecco, ... wonder why no one wants to fight Machida... for that he is the best 205 whitout even having the BElt for those who doubt of machidas abillities . go to you tube AND watch him destroying Francklin , bonnar , sokojou , ortiz, Michael mc donald, vernon white, grecco, … wonder why no one wants to fight Machida…
for that he is the best 205 whitout even having the BElt

]]> By: Marc http://www.total-mma.com/2008/07/29/lyoto-machida-the-forgotten/#comment-12020 Marc Sat, 02 Aug 2008 06:48:33 +0000 http://www.total-mma.com/?p=414#comment-12020 That's a nice biography and all, but rankings aren't about "who's the best in <i>my</i> opinion". That leads to bad rankings. The absolute criteria is subjective as in what has the fighter actually done? Who has he/she defeated? Lyoto being #1 at 205 isn't even that bad, it's a lot of the other rankings. Mostly it's lightweight (Sean Sherk ahead of Gomi, Gomi at #7!, Andre Amade in the top ten wtf, Kawajiri at #14!), with some varying degrees of error in other divisions -Jake Shields being ranked behind Diego Sanchez, Karo, Thiago Alves ... Kadowaki at #6 ... Cain Velasquez in the top ten ... Rashad Evans at #6 ... (Kendall Grove being ahead of a lot of guys he shouldn't be ahead of, Jacare too high at #12 ... BJ being listed at #128 at bantam even though his run at Shooto 132 and leaving AACC was a disaster. Why not rate flyweight (where you can give BJ his due? That’s a nice biography and all, but rankings aren’t about “who’s the best in my opinion”. That leads to bad rankings. The absolute criteria is subjective as in what has the fighter actually done? Who has he/she defeated?

Lyoto being #1 at 205 isn’t even that bad, it’s a lot of the other rankings. Mostly it’s lightweight (Sean Sherk ahead of Gomi, Gomi at #7!, Andre Amade in the top ten wtf, Kawajiri at #14!), with some varying degrees of error in other divisions -Jake Shields being ranked behind Diego Sanchez, Karo, Thiago Alves … Kadowaki at #6 … Cain Velasquez in the top ten … Rashad Evans at #6 … (Kendall Grove being ahead of a lot of guys he shouldn’t be ahead of, Jacare too high at #12 … BJ being listed at #128 at bantam even though his run at Shooto 132 and leaving AACC was a disaster. Why not rate flyweight (where you can give BJ his due?

]]> By: Josh http://www.total-mma.com/2008/07/29/lyoto-machida-the-forgotten/#comment-12001 Josh Fri, 01 Aug 2008 21:57:15 +0000 http://www.total-mma.com/?p=414#comment-12001 Simply put Lyoto/Ryoto is the best 205 pounder in the world right now and those who don't agree are as confused as his opponents. For those not in the know, his dad was a martial arts champion who began training him HARD at age 3. He moved to Brazil later in life and was training BJJ amd Vale Tudo before he was 13. His dad had told him since he was 3 years old he was going to be the best in the world; or in his fathers eyes he was a failure. For all his decisions, and as far as action goes, not appreciating technique, some are boring. Blame his opponents. The same thing happens to all of them, they attack early and don't even connect and get countered. They go for a takedown and can't do it or he immediatly sweeps. By the end of round 1 they are frustrated because they can not win. For those who call his decision against Ortiz boring I offer this challenge; find any point in the match where Machida was in trouble (or any of his matches for that matter) and remember that he almost finished Ortiz at the end of round 1 and also dropped him with a knee in round 3. That equals total dominance. There's a reason Rampage Vera Forrest and Wandy all were offered fights with Machida and declined; they know they'd lose pure and simple. Now it's time for the fans to learn this too. Simply put Lyoto/Ryoto is the best 205 pounder in the world right now and those who don’t agree are as confused as his opponents. For those not in the know, his dad was a martial arts champion who began training him HARD at age 3. He moved to Brazil later in life and was training BJJ amd Vale Tudo before he was 13. His dad had told him since he was 3 years old he was going to be the best in the world; or in his fathers eyes he was a failure. For all his decisions, and as far as action goes, not appreciating technique, some are boring. Blame his opponents. The same thing happens to all of them, they attack early and don’t even connect and get countered. They go for a takedown and can’t do it or he immediatly sweeps. By the end of round 1 they are frustrated because they can not win. For those who call his decision against Ortiz boring I offer this challenge; find any point in the match where Machida was in trouble (or any of his matches for that matter) and remember that he almost finished Ortiz at the end of round 1 and also dropped him with a knee in round 3. That equals total dominance. There’s a reason Rampage Vera Forrest and Wandy all were offered fights with Machida and declined; they know they’d lose pure and simple. Now it’s time for the fans to learn this too.

]]> By: sved http://www.total-mma.com/2008/07/29/lyoto-machida-the-forgotten/#comment-11966 sved Fri, 01 Aug 2008 02:42:45 +0000 http://www.total-mma.com/?p=414#comment-11966 straight UP!----Machida has defeated Ortiz in a win or Go HOme match---Ortiz retired from the UFC for now--- he defeated R.Franklin who got his major push in the UFC after a win over Shamrock @ 205lbs ===which is where R.Franklin is now....hmm Also Machida is probably one of the top 3 Traditional Martial Artists competing in the 205/MW/LHW division--the other 2 in that division why Chuck Liddell and yoshihiro Akiyama--both have KO power/ footwork/ distancing, and good/great grappling/ or grappling Defense. ((((((((Key point)))))))) please understand that MMA/NHB/ Vale Tudo has been around for over 20 years and to say that if someone isn't in the UFC @ the 205 weight div doesn't immediately mean that that is someone that is no good. As for why nobody else wants to compete against Ryoto---they're not good enough Artists to do it... Real Martial Arts creativity and originality is still important in MMA and very few have it in the Striking Oriented UFC...Most focus on sport training boxing/kickboxing/BJJ/Wrestling--All good sport athletics but actual Martial Arts skill is rare in MMA today. The artistry is what makes someone that is quiet and respectful like Minotauro/Fedor/Ryoto etc... allow for their artistry and individual skillset speak for themselves. The reason that so few MMA competitors want to risk a match w/ RYOTO is that they don't have the quality Non MMA instruction to carry over into MMA. Only world class BJJ champions or MuayThai champions have the pedigree necessary to throw elite level creativity into the mix. Most others have some TMA to complement their MMA straight UP!—-Machida has defeated Ortiz in a win or Go HOme match—Ortiz retired from the UFC for now—

he defeated R.Franklin who got his major push in the UFC after a win over Shamrock @ 205lbs ===which is where R.Franklin is now….hmm

Also Machida is probably one of the top 3 Traditional Martial Artists competing in the 205/MW/LHW division–the other 2 in that division
why Chuck Liddell and yoshihiro Akiyama–both have KO power/ footwork/ distancing, and good/great grappling/ or grappling Defense.

((((((((Key point)))))))) please understand that MMA/NHB/ Vale Tudo has been around for over 20 years and to say that if someone isn’t in the UFC @ the 205 weight div doesn’t immediately mean that that is someone that is no good.

As for why nobody else wants to compete against Ryoto—they’re not good enough Artists to do it… Real Martial Arts creativity and originality is still important in MMA and very few have it in the Striking Oriented UFC…Most focus on sport training boxing/kickboxing/BJJ/Wrestling–All good sport athletics but actual Martial Arts skill is rare in MMA today. The artistry is what makes someone that is quiet and respectful like Minotauro/Fedor/Ryoto etc… allow for their artistry and individual skillset speak for themselves.

The reason that so few MMA competitors want to risk a match w/ RYOTO is that they don’t have the quality Non MMA instruction to carry over into MMA.

Only world class BJJ champions or MuayThai champions have the pedigree necessary to throw elite level creativity into the mix.

Most others have some TMA to complement their MMA

]]> By: Lomez http://www.total-mma.com/2008/07/29/lyoto-machida-the-forgotten/#comment-11964 Lomez Fri, 01 Aug 2008 00:37:59 +0000 http://www.total-mma.com/?p=414#comment-11964 Huge Lyoto fan here Lee #1 said it best. He takes talented fighters and makes them look like they just plain suck. Huge Lyoto fan here
Lee #1 said it best. He takes talented fighters and makes them look like they just plain suck.

]]> By: David http://www.total-mma.com/2008/07/29/lyoto-machida-the-forgotten/#comment-11947 David Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:55:55 +0000 http://www.total-mma.com/?p=414#comment-11947 Sadly we will not get to see teammates Vand Silva fight Griffin because of stupid politics though it would make the most amazing fight of the year! Sadly we will not get to see teammates Vand Silva fight Griffin because of stupid politics though it would make the most amazing fight of the year!

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]]> By: Marc http://www.total-mma.com/2008/07/29/lyoto-machida-the-forgotten/#comment-11899 Marc Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:08:16 +0000 http://www.total-mma.com/?p=414#comment-11899 <i>Well, TOM’s rankings aren’t exactly done like everybody elses.</i> That's a nice way of saying his rankings are terrible. There are a lot of really bad errors therein. Well, TOM’s rankings aren’t exactly done like everybody elses.

That’s a nice way of saying his rankings are terrible. There are a lot of really bad errors therein.

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